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Profile No. 481 In Memoriam · 1956–2024

Joel Forbes

Double bass — American — B: August 5, 1956, New Haven, Connecticut — D: December 27, 2024
Joel Forbes

Joel Forbes on the front cover of *I Walk With Music: The Hoagy Carmichael Songbook* (GAC Records, 2013), the only album released under his own name. The photograph shows the trio on the East River waterfront with the Manhattan skyline behind them; Forbes stands at the right of the frame. Cover photography credited on the release to Fran Kaufman. Album cover art (not a CC-licensed artist photo) - used as the only available image showing the artist. Photograph credited on the release to Fran Kaufman; the album is © GAC Records, art direction and design by Brian Wittman. — Discogs release images for Rossano Sportiello / Harry Allen / Joel Forbes, I Walk With Music - The Hoagy Carmichael Songbook (GAC Records, 2013) - https://www.discogs.com/release/9327825

Joel Forbes was born in New Haven, Connecticut, on August 5, 1956, into a house where the music was already playing. His father, also Joel Forbes (1928 to 2002), was a pianist on the New York City scene; his mother, Claire Forbes, née Sheil, was born in New York in 1927, and his sister Meg in 1954. The son gave the father full credit for the ear he ended up with: hearing the great songs sung and played around the house from before he was born, he said, put the music in his heart, and playing gigs with him was lucky. The family lived in Manhattan for two years and then in Westchester County until he was nineteen. He spent a year in Telluride, Colorado, and studied bass privately with Lou Stelluti for three years, from 1976 to 1979. After college he moved back to Manhattan for a decade, 1980 to 1990, then to Greenpoint, Brooklyn, and from 1991 settled in Goldens Bridge, in northern Westchester, where he lived for the rest of his life.

The paper trail of his playing starts in the early 1990s. His own reference-book entry names a 1992 record with the singer Nicole Pasternak and tenor saxophonist Ralph Lalama as his first, though no copy of it could be located for this profile. The earliest session that can be verified from the release itself is January 1994, at Acoustic Recording in Brooklyn, for the Australian guitarist Steve Brien's Token Entry: Forbes played bass, co-produced the record, and was back at the same studio for a second batch of tracks in September 1995. It came out in 1996 on the Sydney label La Brava, with Dale Barlow and Lalama on tenors and Dave Panichi on trombone, and it is the first sign of an Australian connection that ran through his career. In December 1995 he was at Edison Studios in New York for trombonist Dan Barrett's Moon Song with singer Rebecca Kilgore, and in 1997 he led the onstage quartet for the American Place Theatre production of Carson Kreitzer's The Slow Drag, the Billy Tipton play built as a jazz cabaret with a live band. Two further leader credits exist only as his own claims: an album called The Joel Forbes Songbook dated 1996, and an unissued Joel Forbes Quintet set from the Guggenheim Museum's World Beat series in 2001. Neither has surfaced in any catalogue.

Barrett and Kilgore turned into a long association. Forbes joined BED, the trio band name Kilgore, Barrett and the guitarist and singer Eddie Erickson used for a few years, on Bedlam (2004) and Watch Out! (2006) for the small Blue Swing label. Adding a permanent bassist changed what the group was, and not long afterward they renamed themselves the Rebecca Kilgore Quartet. That was the world Forbes worked in for most of the 2000s: Arbors Records in Florida, Nagel Heyer in Hamburg, the classic-jazz party and festival circuit, and tours through the United States, Europe, Japan and Australia. He turned up on Bryan Shaw's Night Owl, on Barrett's International Swing Party, on a Lino Patruno tribute to Bix Beiderbecke taped at the Ascona festival in Switzerland in 2003, and on Wayne Escoffery's Times Change, cut in New York on January 4, 2001 and mixed in Hamburg that July.

The relationship that defined the second half of his working life was with tenor saxophonist Harry Allen. Forbes was the bassist in the Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet, a working band with a run of Arbors albums beginning with Hey, Look Me Over in 2004 and continuing through Perform Music From Guys And Dolls (2007), Stompin' The Blues (2008) and Plays Music From South Pacific (2009). He was also the bassist in Allen's other regular quartet, with Rossano Sportiello on piano and Chuck Riggs on drums, which recorded for Challenge in the Netherlands (Hits By Brits, 2007; New York State Of Mind, 2009; Rhythm On The River, 2011; 'Round Midnight, 2012, with Scott Hamilton added), for the Japanese Swingbros label, and behind Kilgore on a string of songbook projects. The same trio without Allen made two out-of-print Japanese albums applying jazz treatment to classical themes, Schubert in Jazz and Liszt in Jazz, both 2011, neither of which Discogs carries. Allen's Rolodex is essentially Forbes's discography: of the forty-three releases Discogs credits to him, more than half are Allen's.

The other half of his week was downtown. The SmallsLIVE archive holds more than two hundred nights with Forbes on the bandstand at Smalls and Mezzrow between 2007 and 2018, most of them with the Grant Stewart Quartet or one of Allen's groups, and the rest scattered across Ralph Lalama's Bop Juice, Joe Magnarelli's quartet, the Ehud Asherie Trio, Sportiello's groups, John Bunch's trio and the Ken Peplowski Quartet. He recorded twice with Asherie: Lockout, the pianist's leader debut, cut at System Two in Brooklyn on February 5, 2007 with Stewart and Ryan Kisor, and Modern Life in 2010, an Allen quartet date with Riggs on drums. With Stewart he made two albums for the Japanese Videoarts label, Tenor And Soul (Sear Sound, March 7, 2005) and Estate (Avatar, December 8, 2005). Ralph Lalama's Bopjuice: Live At Smalls (2012) put him on the club's own label.

From the summer of 2007 he had a third life at the Ear Inn. The EarRegulars, the Sunday-night band Jon-Erik Kellso and guitarist Matt Munisteri started at 326 Spring Street on June 17 of that year, used Forbes as its bassist through its early seasons, playing the 1920s to 1940s repertoire in a front-line-and-rhythm quartet with no piano. Michael Steinman, who filmed the room for years, kept returning to the same point about the rhythm section: Munisteri and Forbes worked as one instrument. The same period took him to the Sweet and Hot Music Festival in Los Angeles in September 2011 and the Cleveland Classic Jazz Party in September 2017.

The one record billed with his own name on the front is I Walk With Music: The Hoagy Carmichael Songbook, recorded in a single day, January 9, 2013, at Trading 8s in Paramus, New Jersey, and credited to Sportiello, Allen and Forbes as equals. His last documented session was Allen's The Candy Men, cut August 19 and 20, 2015 and released on Arbors in 2016. He was then diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Allen ran a fundraiser for him, describing a man who had been building an extension onto the Goldens Bridge house entirely by himself, rigging pulley systems to raise the walls, and who could no longer finish it. Forbes retired from music altogether. He died on December 27, 2024, at 68. Kellso, hearing the news two days later, wrote that he had known Forbes was getting sicker and it still felt like a gut punch.

Forbes played gut strings on an Eastern European bass perhaps twenty or thirty years old, held together, by the mid-2000s, with tape rather than glue, and he did not use a pickup: on a Sydney jam in May 2005 he simply had a microphone into the PA. That setup is the whole argument. The New York bass luthier Arnold Schnitzer, who called him "a heck of a player," noted that Forbes was a trained luthier himself who had grown tired of repair work and now preferred tape to hide glue, and that he had recently dumped a carload of old bass parts at Schnitzer's shop to be rid of them. The Sydney luthier who started that conversation described what he heard as a player who stayed almost entirely below the neck joint, with great time, a solid instrument and a marvellous sound, and who could build a solo in half position rather than escaping upward into thumb position. What Forbes offered was weight and placement rather than display. Kellso called him one of the best bassists he had played with; the recurring judgment on the Ear Inn nights is not about his solos but about the way he and Matt Munisteri functioned as a single rhythm-and-solo unit. He worked almost entirely inside the swing and mainstream tradition, and the small handful of harder bebop settings he appears in, Lalama's Bop Juice, Grant Stewart's quartet, Asherie's Lockout, show the same approach unchanged.

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Joel Forbes - Full Discography

Joel Forbes led one commercially issued session in his life, and that one as a co-billed equal rather than as sole leader, so this file is overwhelmingly a sideman list. It is built from the Discogs API (artist ID 1393974, 43 releases), the AllMusic credits list (artist ID mn0000915397), the archived Jazz.com Encyclopedia of Jazz Musicians entry, the SmallsLIVE performance archive, and the discography assembled for this site's Rossano Sportiello profile. Discogs is materially incomplete for him: seven titles below appear in one of the other sources and have no Discogs entry at all.

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Spotify links were verified without the Spotify Web API, by fetching each album's embed page and matching the __NEXT_DATA__ payload's title and track list against the printed track list. Anything not confirmed that way reads "Not found by verified web lookup," which means exactly that and not "absent from Spotify."


As Leader / Co-Leader

Album Title Recording Date(s) Release Date Label Catalog Number Format(s) Personnel Role Reissue History Spotify Buy Notes
I Walk With Music: The Hoagy Carmichael Songbook January 9, 2013, Trading 8s Recording Studio, Paramus, New Jersey 2013 GAC Records None assigned (Discogs records the catalog number as "none") CD, Album Harry Allen (tenor saxophone), Rossano Sportiello (piano), Joel Forbes (bass). Produced by Allen and Sportiello. Recorded, mixed and mastered by Chris Sulit. Cover photography by Fran Kaufman. Liner notes credited to Hoagy Carmichael Co-leader, billed third of three None located Spotify - I Walk With Music (13 tracks, matching the printed sleeve) The only release with his name on the front cover. Thirteen Carmichael songs. Discogs bills the artists as Sportiello / Allen / Forbes; the back cover credit line runs Allen, Sportiello, Forbes; AllMusic files it as Harry Allen / Joel Forbes / Rossano Sportiello, "Primary Artist" for all three
Without A Song Live at Music Mountain, Falls Village, Connecticut. Date of concert not stated on the release 1998 Not on label (self-released) None CD Alan Simon (piano), Ralph Lalama (tenor saxophone), Joel Forbes (bass), Tom Melito (drums) Co-billed sideman: the release is credited to "The Alan Simon Quartet Featuring Ralph Lalama, Joel Forbes, Tom Melito" None located Not found by verified web lookup Discogs lists it as a "Main" credit for Forbes because of the billing, but the band is Simon's
The Joel Forbes Songbook Not stated 1996 (claimed) Not stated Not stated Not stated Not stated Leader (claimed) Not applicable Not found by verified web lookup Unverified. The title appears only in Forbes's own Jazz.com encyclopedia entry of October 18, 2007, in a list he evidently supplied himself. No trace of it in Discogs, AllMusic, WorldCat or any dealer listing consulted. Recorded here because he claimed it, not because it was confirmed
Joel Forbes Quintet, Guggenheim Museum "World Beat" series 2001 Unissued Not applicable Not applicable Not applicable Not stated beyond the band name Leader Not applicable Not applicable Unissued and unverified, from the same self-supplied Jazz.com list. A companion entry in that list describes a 2000 Guggenheim night by the Grant Stewart Trio with Jimmy Cobb as special guest, also unissued

As Sideman (selected major credits)

Complete for everything Discogs holds, plus the titles recovered from AllMusic, Jazz.com and the Sportiello research. Ordered by year of release.

Year Project (Leader) Title Label Catalog Role Notes
1992 Nicole Pasternak and Ralph Lalama Title not stated Not stated Not stated Bass Unverified. Listed as his first recording in his own Jazz.com entry. No matching release found in Discogs or AllMusic
1996 Steve Brien Token Entry La Brava Music (Australia) LB9612 Bass; co-producer Recorded January 1994 (tracks 4, 5, 7) and September 1995 (tracks 1, 2, 3, 6) at Acoustic Recording, Brooklyn. With Dale Barlow and Ralph Lalama (tenors), Dave Panichi (trombone), Alan Simon and Mark Templeton (piano), Tom Bailey (drums). His earliest verifiable session. Date conflict: AllMusic dates the release 2001; the release itself and Discogs give 1996, and AllMusic additionally credits him as composer, which the Discogs credit list does not. The 1996 date is used here because it comes from the physical release
1998 Dan Barrett And His Extra-Celestials, featuring Rebecca Kilgore Moon Song Arbors Records ARCD 19158 Bass Recorded at Edison Studios, New York, December 4 to 7, 1995. His own Jazz.com list dates it by the session year, 1995
2000 Bryan Shaw Night Owl Arbors Records ARCD 19159 Bass Jazz.com dates it 1995, presumably the session; Discogs gives a 2000 release
2000 Dan Barrett & Blue Swing, featuring Rebecca Kilgore Blue Swing Arbors Records ARCD 19232 Bass Recorded at Digital Brothers, Costa Mesa, California, September 7 to 9, 1999
2000 Dan Barrett Dan Barrett's International Swing Party Nagel Heyer Records (Germany) CD 067 Bass
2001 Wayne Escoffery Times Change Nagel Heyer Records (Germany) 2015 Bass Recorded January 4, 2001 at Junk Room Studios, New York; mixed July 12 and 13, 2001 at Blue Noise Studio, Hamburg
2002 Various Jazz4Chillin' Not established Not established Bass Present on AllMusic only; no Discogs entry located
2003 Harry Allen Quartet The Harry Allen Quartet Self-released (credited to Harry Allen) 0001 Bass Recorded April 21 and 22, 2003 at Nola Studios, New York. Spotify - The Harry Allen Quartet (12 tracks, matching the printed list)
2004 BED (Rebecca Kilgore, Eddie Erickson, Dan Barrett) Bedlam Blue Swing BSR003 Bass Kilgore (vocals, guitar), Erickson (guitar, banjo, vocals), Barrett (trombone), Forbes (bass). Discogs bills Forbes as a co-credited artist. Not found by verified web lookup on Spotify
2004 The Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet Hey, Look Me Over Arbors Records ARCD 19333 Bass First album by the working quartet AllMusic lists him as a member of
2004 The Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet This is... Swingbros Co. (Japan) CMSB-28002 Bass Recorded at Nola Recording Studios, New York, 2004. Japanese liner notes
2004 Various (Lino Patruno) Lino Patruno Presents A Tribute To Bix Beiderbecke Jazzology JCD-343 Bass Recorded live at the Ascona New Orleans Jazz Festival, Switzerland, 2003
2004 Dick Voigt's Big Apple Jazz Band Big Apple Jam Not established (Discogs holds only a master, with no release attached) Not established Bass Named in the Jazz Passings obituary summary as well
2004 The Frank & Joe Show 33 1/3 Hyena Records Not established (Discogs holds only a master) Bass Frank Vignola and Joe Ascione's project. Reviewed for All About Jazz by David Rickert, October 20, 2004
2005 Grant Stewart Tenor And Soul Videoarts Music (Japan) VACM-1272 Double bass Recorded at Sear Sound Studio, New York, March 7, 2005
2005 The Frank & Joe Show 66 2/3 Hyena Records TMF 9334 Bass; group member per AllMusic
2005 Harry Allen Jazz For The Soul Not established (Discogs holds only a master) Not established Bass
2006 Grant Stewart Estate Videoarts Music (Japan) VACM-1282 Double bass Recorded at Avatar Studios, New York, December 8, 2005, with Eric Alexander (tenor), Ehud Asherie (piano), Joe Cohn (guitar). Discogs notes that the back cover spells the bassist "Joel Forbes" and the booklet "Joel Farbes," which is the origin of the Discogs name variation. Spotify - Estate (9 tracks, matching the printed list)
2006 BED Watch Out! Blue Swing BSR005 Bass Discogs's release note records that the band renamed itself the Rebecca Kilgore Quartet not long after Forbes joined as a regular member
2006 Harry Allen Ballads II: Jazz For The Heart McMahon Jazz Medicine 1002 Bass Recorded at Nola Studios, New York, January 26 and 27, 2006
2006 Various Jazz Improv Companion CD, Vol. 7 No. 1: Blue Jazz Improv Not established Bass AllMusic only
2007 Ehud Asherie Lockout Posi-Tone PR8032 Double bass Recorded at System Two, Brooklyn, February 5, 2007. Asherie (piano), Grant Stewart (tenor), Ryan Kisor (trumpet), Phil Stewart (drums). Produced by Marc Free and Nick O'Toole. Spotify - Lockout (9 tracks)
2007 Harry Allen Hits By Brits Challenge Records (Netherlands) CR73258 Bass Recorded at Twinz Recording Studio, River Edge, New Jersey, November 2006. Quartet with Rossano Sportiello and Chuck Riggs. Spotify - Hits By Brits (10 tracks, matching the printed list)
2007 Harry Allen Quintet Down For The Count Swingbros Co. (Japan) CMSB-28016 Bass
2007 The Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet with Rebecca Kilgore and Eddie Erickson Perform Music From Guys And Dolls Arbors Records ARCD 19354 Bass
2007 Jonathan Russell Puttin' On The Ritz Not established Not established Bass AllMusic only; no Discogs entry located
2008 The Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet with John Allred and Scott Hamilton Stompin' The Blues Arbors Records ARCD 19353 Bass
2008 Swing Masters Swing Masters, Vol. 2: Benny... King of Swing! Not established Not established Upright bass; group member AllMusic only; no Discogs entry located
2008 Various Jazz Improv, Vol. 8, No. 1 Jazz Improv Not established Bass AllMusic only
2009 Dick Hyman and Ken Peplowski E Pluribus Duo Victoria Company VC 4379 Bass Recorded at Bennett Studios, Englewood, New Jersey, March 30 and June 10, 2009
2009 Harry Allen New York State Of Mind Challenge Records (Netherlands) CR73293 Bass Recorded at Twinz Studios, New Jersey, February 18 and 19, 2009, with Sportiello, Riggs and John Allred. Spotify - New York State of Mind (11 tracks)
2009 The Harry Allen-Joe Cohn Quartet Plays Music From South Pacific Arbors Records ARCD 19380 Bass Recorded at Nola Studios, New York, October 29 and 30, 2008
2009 Harry Allen For The King Of Swing Swingbros Co. (Japan) CMSB 28024 Acoustic bass
2010 Ehud Asherie featuring Harry Allen Modern Life Posi-Tone PR8060 Double bass Asherie (piano), Allen (saxophone), Forbes (double bass), Chuck Riggs (drums). No recording date given on the release. Not found by verified web lookup on Spotify, consistent with the finding recorded in the Ehud Asherie profile's own discography
2010 Terry Myers Smiles Arbors Records ARCD 19405 Bass Recorded at Nola Recording Studios February 25 and 26, 2010 (Discogs prints "February 25 & 16," an evident typo). Reviewed for All About Jazz by Andrew J. Sammut, April 8, 2011; AllMusic dates the release 2010, All About Jazz 2011
2010 Harry Allen I'll Remember April Swingbros Co. (Japan) CMSB 28027 Acoustic bass
2010 Barbara Rosene On The Brink Blues Back Records BB015 Bass
2011 Rossano Sportiello Trio Schubert in Jazz SwingBros (Japan) Not confirmed Bass Sportiello (piano), Forbes (bass), Chuck Riggs (drums). Not in Discogs. Taken from Sportiello's own site via this site's Sportiello profile. Long out of print
2011 Rossano Sportiello Trio Liszt in Jazz SwingBros (Japan) Not confirmed Bass Same trio. Not in Discogs. Sportiello's own site spells the title "Listz in Jazz" on one page and "Liszt In Jazz" on another
2011 Harry Allen Rhythm On The River Challenge Records (Netherlands) CR73311 Bass With Warren Vaché guesting. Spotify - Rhythm On The River (13 tracks)
2011 Rebecca Kilgore with the Harry Allen Quartet Live At Feinstein's At Loews Regency: Celebrating "Lady Day" And "Prez" Arbors Records ARCD 19433 Bass
2011 The Harry Allen Quintet featuring Rebecca Kilgore and Eddie Erickson The Harry Allen Quintet Plays Music From The Sound Of Music Arbors Records (Discogs holds only a master, with no label attached) Not established Bass Spotify - Plays Music from "The Sound of Music" (14 tracks)
2012 Harry Allen and Scott Hamilton 'Round Midnight Challenge Records (Netherlands) CR73348 Bass Recorded February 6 and 7, 2012. Two-tenor date over Sportiello, Forbes and Riggs. Spotify - 'Round Midnight (9 tracks)
2012 Rebecca Kilgore and the Harry Allen Quartet Some Like It Hot: The Music Of Marilyn Monroe Swingbros Co. (Japan) CMSB-28033 Bass Recorded and mixed January 27 and 28, 2012
2012 Ralph Lalama Bopjuice: Live At Smalls SmallsLIVE SL-0027 Bass Six tracks recorded at Smalls. Not found by verified web lookup on Spotify
2014 Rebecca Kilgore with the Harry Allen Quartet I Like Men Arbors Records ARCD 19422 Bass Recorded at Nola Studios, New York, November 22 and 23, 2013
2015 Molly Ryan featuring Dick Hyman Let's Fly Away Loup-Garous Productions LG-1006 Bass Recorded May 19 and 20, 2014
2016 Harry Allen's All Star New York Saxophone Band The Candy Men Arbors Records ARCD 19450 Bass Recorded at Trading 8s Studio, August 19 and 20, 2015. Four-saxophone front line of Allen, Grant Stewart, Eric Alexander and Gary Smulyan, with Sportiello, Forbes and Kevin Kanner. Spotify - The Candy Men (12 tracks, matching the printed list). His last known session

Live performances documented but not commercially released

The SmallsLIVE archive holds recordings of more than two hundred Forbes appearances at Smalls and Mezzrow between September 25, 2007 and July 7, 2018. They are held as archive audio and video rather than as releases, and only one of them, Ralph Lalama's Bopjuice, has been issued on the SmallsLIVE label. By band, the largest blocks are:

Other documented but unissued work: the onstage quartet Forbes led for the American Place Theatre production of Carson Kreitzer's The Slow Drag (his own entry dates this 1997; Wikipedia dates the play 1996), and the two Guggenheim Museum "World Beat" nights of 2000 and 2001 listed above.


Notes on completeness and conflicts

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